I want to start this post out by saying Trev has done a phenomenal job keeping this pretty buttoned up. No one really knows which direction this thing is going to go. But I do get more information than most, so I want to walk through how i’ve landed on Rhule still being the guy. After all, i’ve watched media members say he’s the guy then go on major message boards or even to their paper and say he’s off the table, only to put him back on it. But a week ago I told you I thought this is the way it was leaning, yesterday I said I think it’s him, so let me just try to solidify my thought process for you.
First things first… Around 3 weeks ago I had around 3 media members and a couple former players tell me that Rhule was the guy. We all saw the smoke on social media and the message boards, it seemed to be a done deal. But as I stated in my coaching odds article found here:
I think the fact that A&M may have done something with Jimbo which Rhule was familiar with having success at Baylor, and with Franklin being sought after by Auburn that would then open up Rhule’s alma mater, I believe his agent told him to pump the brakes a bit and let things play out. That is when everyone went into hysteria that we didn’t get our guy. They didn’t know it was or wasn’t Rhule, but why hadn’t we heard anything yet?! After all, Rhule had signed per reports (let’s try to forget people were saying Aranda had already signed in early October). It started to become apparent to me I wasn’t even aware of a possible other layer here. See this tweet:
I quoted this tweet and stated that this could actually be good for Nebraska (if you were wanting Rhule), in the sense that it made me even more confident Rhule was our guy. Before I go deeper, I need to expand on something us Nebraska fans are all too familiar with this century. A college coaches buyout.
Everyone knows we are on the hook for a certain amount to Scott Frost and other coaches we have let go. The first level of a buyout is essentially unemployment or severance you owe that coach once you tell them to quit coaching your team. What most people don’t know is that if that coach gets hired elsewhere, the team/ownership that is paying his buyout only owes her/him the difference between the new contract and the buyout. And that is where I think this tweet had a little truth to it, because we all know Trev tries to be extremely frugal in his operations. It was good because Trev was using the Carolina buyout for Rhule to our monetary advantage, but there was a bit of a hangup.
Before moving forward i’ll go backwards to try and illustrate what i’m saying. When Doc Sadler was fired from Nebraska in 2012, we owed him his buyout. Bill Self tried hiring him down in Kansas, and Coach Sadler essentially said “i’ll work for free, I have my Nebraska buyout”. A free coach (even though he wasn’t in a coaching position) for Self that had head coaching experience was a no brainer. What ended up happening is Nebraska said they wouldn’t allow him to work for free, you have to pay him “fair market value” (that wasn’t our rule that is just communicated in nearly all coaches contracts) and we will make up the difference. Essentially Nebraska wasn’t going to allow him to work for free while we paid him 3.4 million in buyout money. And that’s where i’ll circle it back to Rhule…
I think Trev tried gaming the system a bit. Rhule is owed 40 million dollars from the Panthers, close to 10 million per year from them. If we give that guy 4 million a year (number just made up for a scenario) let’s just let the Panthers give him the other 6 million and we can line up top notch assistants with what we are saving. So while I do think the tweet is true about us trying to get a bargain, I don’t think it was without a thought-out plan and we just thought “hey we are Nebraska” and missed out on people.
There’s only one problem, “fair market value”. We just let Frost go when he signed a 5 million contract, there’s guys like Mel Tucker making 10 million a year, and rumors circulated in some groups that the Panthers owner wasn’t going to let us do to him what we wouldn’t let Kansas do to us for Sadler. What is fair market value for a Nebraska coach? They aren’t going to let us just set it, because Trev would just say it was what Frost was making in 2022, 4 million dollars.
So between A&M and Auburn, and then all of a sudden a billionaire NFL owner saying “i’ll sue you if you don’t get him at least X amount”, things went a bit sideways. And that’s why I think things went from “Rhule is the guy” a couple weeks ago, to people scrambling for reasons why we didn’t have him hired yet. In my opinion, it was always Alberts’ preference to hire after the season. It really serves no purpose to do it midseason which is why you haven’t seen Arizona State or Auburn do it yet, it’s not like we are doing something all kinds of crazy here. This tweet replying to me summed it up well:
I could be way off here and we don’t hire Rhule, no one has any idea. I just have a hard time believing all these people told me it was Rhule and then things just completely fell apart. If Trev had his guy I don’t believe he would let that happen. Further, there’s another decently connected person saying that we weren’t told “no” by anyone and our top guy is who we are getting. I think Rhule was at least top 3 for Trev.
If i’m wrong, i’ll gladly take Fickell or Klieman, but I just am going to stick with what i’ve thought for a couple weeks with who will be announced. I’ll give myself a 25% chance of getting it right, but all these things starting to come together helps me think it is him and nothing has changed.
Let’s be honest, no one freaking knows what’s going to happen. And I would suspect even Trev had to think on his feet a bit as the search never goes completely to plan. But if a few people I trust said Rhule, some of these things start to make a bit of sense. I’m not going to change what i’ve been telling people the entirety of November, Rhule it is.
I’m also excited for this to be completely wrong. I do have my “What to expect with Rhule” post already done to drop if he’s our guy. So there is that. When we hire someone else, it will be all for nothing however.
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I would be ecstatic if you were right. He and Aranda were my top 2 (what I considered)”realistic” possibilities from the start once Frost was fired.
I was like hey, maybe Rhule will be available if Carolina eventually lets him go, that would be sweet, but figured it might be too late by the time he got fired. Once they let him go early, I was like OK….
No clue if any of your speculations in this post are true, but it reads logically…haha.
Regardless, at this point with the other dominoes falling like Leipold, I feel that means we just got a good candidate locked in, or we struck out on almost everyone and are screwed.
Im curious to see what happens to our recruiting class. For the sake of argument, let’s say Rhule was hired. Do you see most of our class staying then just adding players? Would some leave now that they know who the coach is and they aren’t on staff now? Would the new coach try to weed out some players he doesn’t want?
I haven’t really followed this be years class much bc outside of a few guys, it really hasn’t been great IMO.
A lot of it will depend on if Mickey stays, but we will have defections and I would expect that. Rhule (or whatever HC) is going to want their QB in the class not someone elses, plus some others that committed to Frost or Joseph who aren’t here anymore.
Ya, I tried to stay with the realistic options this whole time. People talking Urban Meyer or throw the bag at Saban were just talking crazy.
Thanks for the write up, appreciate the info. It’s very frustrating to be a member at RSS where Sean and the crew won’t give any nuggets unless it’s been double verified. I would assume national media will love the hire and Trev will be lauded. What do you think the response will be?
I’m sure there will be a vocal pocket of ignorant fans and former players who still think MJ should be the coach 😂. Overall though I think fans will be happy.
Ya, I was referencing a few message boards that said Rhule is the guy, then made posts about him being out, only to start one a day or two ago that he’s back in it. I just thought this whole time it’s Rhule, too late for me to change now.
Brian Edwards is a VegasInsider guy and was on 1620 a week or two ago and said it would be a Grand Slam for us. That’s where I think a ton of national media will be, and I even think a lot of people will compare him to Saban doing well at Michigan State then LSU, failing in the NFL, and coming back to revive Alabama. I don’t expect Alabama turnaround/results, but he would get us to 8 or 9 wins at least. Just look at the B1G West this year, he could have easily won it if we would have made a change last year (though he wasn’t available).
Great write up. The fans should be thrilled with Rhule, Fickell or Klieman, N is not a top 10 job anymore and getting any of them would be a major win. The more I hear about Rhule or Fickell the more I think they could be the ones to actually turn this mess around. I think keeping MJ on staff is a major priority due to his connection to our higher rated recruits, seems like Coleman will go with MJ. Should be a fun 48 to 72 hours.
While I don’t think we are top 10, we are definitely top 25 and better than Kansas or Kansas State who got really good hires for their HC position. So that’s why I always had confidence.
I agree on Mickey, while I would hate him as HC, he is lights out as WR coach and give him recruiting coordinator or associate head coach to go with it. In-state the kids absolutely love him and he has connections in the right places.
Happy Thanksgiving. I think and really hope you are right. Mickey telling a QB recruit we will run an RPO offense next year also makes me think Mickey is staying and has known too.
Any idea what Rhule may do staff wise? Mickey and Busch would be great and easy hires but this guys got a lot of connections. Nixon followed him from Baylor to Charlotte and he happened to have a kid here just a season ago. Joe Daley coached WRs for him and would probably come back. His interim replacement who he recently endorsed was DC at Mizzou a year ago. He has legit connections that fit here.
On the recruiting above, if we keep Mickey I think our current class stays put. We have 7 in state kids and 3 more WRs committed to Mickey that I think stay put if Mickeys here. Add in Bootle, whose bro played here recently, and the RB from LA who committed to Mickey, and thats the bulk of whats committed. We just have to go pursue every OT and DT in the portal now…
Trying to figure out his staff will be tough, I know he will want to bring in most of his guys. But someone like Joseph makes too much sense from a continuity and recruiting standpoint.
In regards to recruiting, we will have a decommit or two. With an entire new staff coming in for the most part, there will be guys they want to bring in and we may only have one spot. I look at our QB commit, LBs, and RB. If a new RB coach comes in he will probably have someone picked out already. But if we keep Mickey, the majority will stay in tact. It’s why local recruiting is so important.
Thanks for the info…seems now the local media guys are going back to Rhule also. I am just ready for it to be over and done with. All things considered, he seems like a HR for us